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12:06pm 16/02/2009
 
 
heathenry posting in Livejournal Polytheists
One of the main reasons I think I feel such a strong sense of disconnect in the Pagan community is that I have no interest in magic(k). I dont mean to bash magick, or people who are occult influenced or interested, but this is something that has never clicked with me.

As a practitioner of Asatru, I read my myths and walked out into the American Desert to pour libations from a cow horn. In my archetype worshipping phase, I still was primarily focused on worship. Now that I have found a new path - in creating a vaguely Proto-Indo-European influenced neopaganism in which I venerate Proto-Indo-European gods and deified abstractions according to kennings and epithets rather than proper names, I am still primarily focused on making offerings and speaking prayers of my own composition.

when I go to pagan meetups, I listen to people's narratives about how they became pagan, and it doesnt really sound like me. I encounter maybe a stray Kemetic Orthodox person ( who I always tend to like and get along with for some reason ) and maybe a stray Asatruar, and thats basically it.

I think the division, to me, is between people who are primarily *religious* polytheists, and people who are more into spellwork and other forms of magick. I also dont mean to bash the New Age, but I hear a great deal of it, and I don't feel connected to it at all. I think religious polytheists, and reconstructionist oriented people are vastly outnumbered. I stopped going to the local Pagan meetups when a presentation about Babylonian religion became a forum for a woman to talk for an hour about her past life experiences as a Babylonian priestess.

( I dont want to sound like I think one form of Polytheism is more valid than another. I consider Wicca and NeoWicca to be polytheistic, they just emphasize different things and have a different approach. ).

I started calling myself a Polytheist because it gives me a chance to explain. I never get tied to wicca ( not that thats a bad thing, but I dont practice wicca or any kind of Witchcraft) or what people know about NeoPaganism. Pagan, Heathen, Druid, Witch, all have connotations in the greater society that dont resemble or describe my beliefs and practices.

I get to explain: "I believe in multiple Gods and Goddesses. I believe that deity can be both male and female. I believe that nature is a manifestation of the Divine. I worship a pantheon of Proto-Indo-European gods and deified abstractions using kennings and epithets rather than proper names." If people are still curious, I get to explain further. I dont get grouped in with a subculture I dont identify with, and I dont have to use words that to a nonpagan have an extremely negative connotation.

So this is why I call myself a polytheist. I stopped going to the local pagan meetups long ago, and am getting to the point where I can no longer stomach the online pagan community either.
 
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 ursus_of_unrv
 
08:20pm 16/02/2009 (UTC)
 
 
I've never been overly interested in magick, either. In fact, I think the way that some neopagans treat deities as mere ingredients in a spell is rather disrespectful.

I can't warm up to the local groups - there idea of religion is not mine. And I've been known to disappear from the internet months at a time when I get too frustrated with online personalities. But I found a decent online group with some good people, and we work on common interests.

So I hear what you are saying.


 
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 heartofmoon
 
10:42pm 16/02/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Sealticge: Freyja
I agree with your distinction, even though I don't think it's a hard and fast line (though no distinction ever is).

I, for example, would classify myself much more as a religious polytheist. My purpose in being a pagan is to worship my gods. Because Freyja is the goddess to whom I am closest, I am learning magic as a devotional act to her, since she is a sorceress.

And I think that your experience of frustration is very common for the more devotional of the modern pagans. The more occult-oriented of the neopagans are much more numerous and, perhaps, more willing to form groups. The devotional ones, it seems, are much more willing to live with just themselves and the gods, since that is what is more important anyway. I don't know what we, the religious kind, could do to remedy the situation of exclusion other than to form communities ourselves. I've been finding friends online who are also primarily devotional, and I feel like a whole world has opened up to me, and I don't feel as much like the only devotional pagan in the world as I have before.
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 heathenry
 
01:38am 17/02/2009 (UTC)
 
 
heathenry
To practice magic as a devotee of a goddess of magic makes perfect sense, to me. It would be an act of devotion as you said.
 
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 heathenry
 
01:39am 17/02/2009 (UTC)
 
 
heathenry
To me, I think the problem starts when we use the word "Pagan" in the first place.
 
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 alexandra_br
 
10:54pm 16/02/2009 (UTC)
 
 
alexandra_br
As a hellenic reconstrucionist, I don't work with magick too. And I have dated a viking/norse pagan for 6 years, I know what you mean.
 
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 bastet11191967
 
03:55pm 18/02/2009 (UTC)
 
 
S. M. B.: Bastet-Goauld (Stargate SG-1)
Before I delved into Egyptian deities a few years ago, I grew up in a household with a mom who was raised Lutheran but got into New Age stuff after she came to the U.S. I never got into the spells, magical pendants or any of that, as it seemed like a real mish-mash, not to mention confusing, and I got the impression that it was used more for instant-gratification, self-absorbed purposes rather than helping to improve the person using it, so I was turned off by it. I mostly worship Bast, Sekhmet, Ma'at, but also acknowledge the others as well whenever they come up.
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 downybearded1
 
09:13pm 26/03/2009 (UTC)
 
 
downybearded1
Hi, I've just sent a request to join your community so am new here if it gets accepted. I'm currently an atheist but feel unsatisfied with my world view and have recently become interested in the concept of polytheism, particularly norse theisms. I completely understand with what your saying about the whole magic(k) world view being grouped together with other sorts of polytheism. I've been having a difficult time finding a group on the internet who doesn't seem to focus on magic(k) (as I'm not interested in learning about this).

And yes, it does definately seem that nowadays you have to be very careful with what you say as a lot of terms seem to have terrible negative connotations. Right now there is an atheist movement in the UK (where I live) but they seem more aggressively anti-religious which I totally disagree with. Now atheism doesn't mean "doesn't have a religion" which it should and I have to be careful who I tell as I'm automatically considered "evil" or worse, anti-religious.

I wonder if there are any books/websites anybody could recommend to me about polytheism? What do you do as part of your practice?

I am a very fluffy and friendly atheist, promise!
 
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 downybearded1
 
09:16pm 26/03/2009 (UTC)
 
 
downybearded1
Oh, this is the bus campaign link. I rather think the whole thing is a little patronising and rude. Let me know what you think:

http://www.atheistbus.co.uk/
 
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 greenleedi
 
05:02pm 09/07/2012 (UTC)
 
 
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