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 polytheists - (tybaltbroods)
 
04:01pm 22/07/2009
 
 
Ty posting in Livejournal Polytheists
 So Im beginning to wonder who my divine patron is,  I am fairly sure that The god or Goddess will be from the Nordic or Celtic Pantheon

what im wondering is are there any good books in the study of either of these pantheons that someone can steer me towards for my own benefit of knowing more about them


thanks in advance!

oh and Merry meet! im new here. 
 
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 novelog
 
09:22pm 22/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
What calls you to those pantheons? Why do you think this? Are there signs, feelings, sights, smells, sounds you associate with the deity who is calling?

You might have better luck letting one choose you, as opposed to reading books and "shopping" for deities. Better to have the image of the one who is contacting you in your mind first and trying to find them than looking at say, Thor, and saying subconsciously, "Wow, he's cool, I want that one" for egotistical reasons. In my experience, when you call to a deity you've chosen yourself, oftentimes another, very different one answers.
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 tybaltbroods
 
10:48pm 22/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Ty
Forgive me if this sounds, rude but im a little insulted by this implication that im shopping for a patron. Due to my ethic heritage i resonate strongly with the idea of both the nordic and celtic pantheons and wish to study them further in the hopes that my patron will reveal themselves to me. While i like the Greeco-Roman and Egyptian Pantheons they do nothing to resonate with my soul. So i would hardly say im "shopping" im merely wishing to learn more.
 
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 novelog
 
12:12am 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
I'm sorry if I sounded snarkier than I meant to--but I also didn't know why you were going after Norse/Celtic. Sometimes people can be very arbitrary about who/what they're going after. "I'm beginning to wonder who my divine patron is" sounded a lot like you expected to have one.

You could start journaling to try and pick up hints and then aggregate them for future reference. Some strange coincidence involving water happened weekly? That could be a clue. Etc. etc.

If you feel like someone is trying to contact you, you might want to read this post on deity communication. Keep in mind that it is only one viewpoint out there, however.

I found Essential Asatru by Diana L. Paxson useful when I was first starting out. As far as Norse/Anglo-Saxson paganism is concerned, Encyclopedia Mythica is a good online resource, as is Englatheod.org. I merely commented as I did because Tyr found me first before I had any idea that it would be the Aesir and Vanir that wanted me--I found Heathenry through my patron. But people do have different experiences--as numerous as there are individuals.

Good luck in searching.

Edited at 2009-07-23 12:19 am (UTC)
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 the_resonance
 
06:03pm 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
I think it is perfectly natural for a human to CHOOSE a family of Gods, or even a patron because they are attracted to the culture they came from, or because the deity has attributes that make them attractive or suitable as objects of worship. I believe that the deities welcome worship from most people, and you will learn who you have a better connection with over time. If you were to simply start making offerings to Thor, for example, I dont believe that Thor would mind. Only the Gods themselves have the authority to choose who they will and will not receive worship from, or who they will enter into closer relationships with. I do not agree with many of the assertions i see in the Neopagan and Reconstructionist communities that these things have to be based 100% on personal Gnosis. Human beings can choose the Gods they worship. You do not have to wait for Lugh to knock on your door and appear in person before you can offer him a libation.

Your patronage will happen slowly over time. It is also possible that you do not have a natural patron, or that you are fated to have one. Closer relationships with gods may happen slowly as you offer worship and internalize the myths.
 
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 novelog
 
11:27pm 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Absolutely, you may worship any Diety you like from any pantehon. But to claim them as your patron without any feedback from them? That's a little dubious.
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 tybaltbroods
 
11:42pm 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Ty
and i was never saying i was going to just claim the first Deity that jumped out at at me, what i did say was that i wanted to investigate these pantheons so i would know what i was looking at when it came to me
 
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 novelog
 
11:46pm 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
I guess it just didn't come out that way in your original post.
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 tybaltbroods
 
11:57pm 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Ty
what from my post led you to believe that i was gonna go shopping for a Deity, all i said was that i was certain i knew the actual pantheon the God or Goddess would be from ( admittedly i didn't explain why, but do i have to explain a feeling?) but that i was honestly very un-educated about them and wished to learn more about the pantheons as a whole.
 
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 raistlynn
 
09:42pm 22/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
R: Njord of the sea (Norse God)
Welcome aboard! I'm going to agree with a lot that novelog has already stated. I know I certainly didn't expect to end up with who I did, but I would not trade it for the world.

However. I am not a patient type of person, and I did a lot of research on the deities that I seemed interested in, or had some sort of similarities with. Though again, even though I did research, I didn't end up staying with my chosen deities.

If you are looking for books, I'm sure you will get a boat load of suggestions. I can't speak about the Celtic Pantheon, but as far as the Norse go (and again you'll get a lot of suggestions) is Galina Krasskova's book. I also recommend Diana Paxon's book.








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 tybaltbroods
 
10:49pm 22/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Ty
thank you for those links i will check them out momentarily
 
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 raistlynn
 
10:54pm 22/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
R: Ocean - Raistlynn
You're welcome.

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 tybaltbroods
 
04:04am 27/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Ty
WOW what eye openers. i read Exploring the northern tradition in one sitting, and ... wow... a lot of questions but also a lot of Answers, im reading Paxon's book now and thank you for both of these titles, soon i will read the Prose Edda, but im really wanting to now find something dealing with what my research has led me to call "Continental: Heathenry, as im more of germanic stock than Scandinavian, but yeah... im also feeling really really drawn to Idunna, not sure what that means but i still have a lot more "homework" to do.


thanks again for recommending these texts to me
 
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 raistlynn
 
05:37am 27/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
R: Idunna (Norse Goddess)
From reading everyone else's replies, you have a lot of great information to read through:)

If you feel drawn to Idunna, start there:) Give her some offerings and the like, see what comes of it:)

I'm glad the books have helped, and you're very welcome:)
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 the_resonance
 
09:49pm 22/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
I think part of opening oneself up to a relationship with a particular deity is to immerse onself in the mythologies you are drawn to, make offerings to the all gods, and wait for someone to call to you.
 
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 tybaltbroods
 
10:49pm 22/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
Ty
THIS is what i was intending from the post for guidance on where to find the stories of the Nordic and celtic pantheons to immerse myself in
 
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 the_resonance
 
05:40pm 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
I think you should find a book of modern mythic retellings for both cultures. For Myths: Celtic myths come from several different celtic cultures, so in a good collection you would get some welsh, some irish, and maybe scottish and manx. THEN after you have read some modern retellings, try cracking into primary sources like the Eddas, Mabinogion, etc.... You can also read some of the more modern neopagan works, but I am out of the loop enough to be at a loss for recommendations. There seems to be a few Asatru ones, but few Celtic ones that are not heavily influenced by Wicca and Mainstream neopaganism ( which is cool I guess if you are into that).

The suggestions I am giving you are from the ADF website. I was a member of ADF for a long time before I started crafting a personalized neopaganism that broke all of the reconstructionist rules.

Here is a list of primary sources ( from several in the Indo-European language family, but Celtic and Norse are included ).

http://www.adf.org/training/resources/primary-sources.html

Here is a list of readable mythology books:

http://www.adf.org/training/resources/mythology.html

You can also read some books on mythological "theory" that are specific to the cultures you are interested in: Celtic Culture by Alwyn and Brinley Rees, and works by Hilda Ellis Davidson for Norse. Anyway, Like I said, I think the best thing for you to do is to read a collection of readable mythology books for the two cultures, and spend some time every day working through some of the primary sources and historical works.
 
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 trip_tych
 
03:29pm 23/07/2009 (UTC)
 
 
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Well you can always go straight to the lore - for the Norse, The Eddas (poetic and prose) and the Sagas. Those are a great place to find Their stories. I agree with the above poster, make offerings and open yourself up. There's loads available online for free for Norse here: http://www.northvegr.org/

As for the Celts...well there is no one Celtic pantheon. I don't know a lot about the Celts but I do know there aren't many if any pan-Celtic gods. You'll probably need to narrow it down at first, to Irish or Welsh or Gaulish or Manx...For Welsh there's the Mabinogion, The Tain and the Book of Invasions for the Irish...and that's about all I know. You can check the CR FAQ: http://www.paganachd.com/faq/ for more info.
 
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